Despite her general resistance to getting political on her show, Ellen DeGeneres took a firm stance against Donald Trump on Friday, when she told Matt Lauer that she would not, hypothetically, invite the president on as a guest. She’d said the same thing to Alec Baldwin just days before, but Lauer, unlike Baldwin, also hit her with a follow-up: Why? That’s when DeGeneres, a genial comedian known for keeping things light, took her firmest anti-Trump stance.
“Because I’m not going to change his mind,” DeGeneres told Lauer. “He’s against everything that I stand for. We need to look at someone else who looks different than us and believes in something that we don’t believe in and still accept them, and still let them have their rights.”
DeGeneres has spoken out against Trump before on Ellen, though in the past she’s done so more obliquely: in January following the Trump administration’s Muslim ban, DeGeneres used her most recent film to critique the president.
“Over the weekend, on Friday, the president gave an order banning people from seven countries from entering the United States, including people with green cards,” she told her audience. “And then on Saturday, the president screened Finding Dory at the White House. I don’t get political, but I will say that I am against one of those two things,” DeGeneres said to thunderous applause.